Today, I have an article from Penny. Her family of six spends just $53,000 a year, with $22,000 of that going towards their student loan debt. Here is her story.
Dear Readers of Making Sense of Cents,
I’m Penny. I write a blog with my cousin, Rich. It’s called Penny and Rich. He’s rich. I’m poor. Get it? I’m a stay-at-home-mom with four kids. We have a household income of $43,000 a year and my husband and I have over $153,000 in student loan debt. Rich is a busy professional with a household income of $250,000 and he is well on his way to becoming a millionaire. This blog is our way of writing to and trying to understand each other, financially and otherwise.
We accumulated this massive student loan debt when my husband went back to school to become a chiropractor. He has been in practice almost six years now.
It’s doing better every year, but it’s taken a lot longer to grow a business than either of us thought it would.
We don’t regret taking out the loans, because we value having me staying home with the kids and family time over money and debt and everything. And, honestly, having the debt is not that big of a deal.
Rich doesn’t understand how my family of six can get by on such a small income, let alone tackle our massive student loan debt. But let me tell you, dear readers, how we are going to do it. Maybe you can make sense (that’s a shout-out to you, Michelle!) of our madness.
Related:
Our 10 Year Plan To Repay $153,000 in Student Loan Debt
Very simply, we are going to put $22,000 toward the debt every year. Here is a spreadsheet of what that is going to look like:
(Keep in mind that this spreadsheet is an estimate, because student loan interest is typically compounded daily, and I didn’t want to work through those sorts of calculations when creating the spreadsheet.)
$1,000 is taken out of our checking account automatically every month (for a total of $12,000 a year), plus an additional $10,000 will be thrown at it when we get our tax refund. This will eventually make a dent in that massive behemoth of a loan, and we will have it paid off entirely in 10 years.
Right now, it feels like we’re doing nothing more than throwing money at a wall. So much of it is going toward the interest. We have to pay $812 a month just to keep the loan from getting any bigger. Which sucks. At the end of the 10 years, we will have paid over $55,000 on the interest alone.
We’ve tried to refinance the loans, which is where all the really cool, fiscally responsible people are going, but they won’t have us given our debt to income ration (which, of course, makes sense on their end)…
But here’s another thing:
We are on a Income-Driven Repayment Plan with our lenders. This means that we make payments in accordance with our income. Right now, they are requiring us to pay:
$0
And they will forgive any loan balance remaining after 25 years.
Sounds like a pretty sweet deal, right?
So, why are we putting $22,000 a year toward student loans when we technically don’t have to pay anything and the remaining balance will be forgiven anyway?
Well, let me tell you, because here’s the catch: We would have to pay taxes on the amount forgiven!
So, let’s say we continue to remain at this income level ($43,000), or thereabouts, for the next 25 years, and let’s say we pay $0 the whole time. At the end of 25 years, due to the constant growth of that friggin’ interest, the loan will have amassed itself to an astounding:
$716,865
Thanks to this little handy Tax Calculator, I can calculate that we would have to pay $229,545 in taxes on that amount, which is actually $9,545 more than what we would pay doing my little 10 Year Repayment Plan thingy.
(Plus, we’re the ones who took out the loans, we’re responsible for paying them, and we really do want to be able to pay them back. Blah, blah, blah.)
So, now, a question you’re probably asking yourself is:
How in the world can you afford to put $22,000 toward student loans when you have an income of only $43,000 a year (and four kids to boot)?
First, let’s take a look at how we spent our money in 2016, and we’ll get into it:
Okay, so now you’re going to have some more questions here. And your first question is going to be:
How did you spend only $528 in food to feed your family of six?
Well, dear readers, here’s our deep, dark secret… since we are low income, we get the majority of our food covered by Food Support. I’ll write more about that at the end of this post, but, for now, there you have it. We get Food Support, and this enables us to put more of our money toward student loan loan debt.
Which will bring you to your next question:
Where are those student loan payments anyway?
For some reason, I like to keep them separate in my head (and therefore in this post). Since we are not *technically* required to pay them, I see it as a *somewhat* nonessential expense (although, really, it isn’t, I know this).
So, with the loan payments, our grand total of expenditures in 2016 was actually:
$31,942.03 in regular expenses
+$22,000.00 in student loans payments
$53,942.03 total
Which brings us to your next question:
But Penny, you’re only making $43,000 a year? How can you pay all that?
My second deep dark secret, dear readers, is… we get a massive tax refund every year.
Let’s look at these numbers:
$7,321 – 2015 Federal Tax Refund
$2,655 – 2015 State Tax Refund
$2,006 – 2015 Property Tax Refund
$11,982 – Total
So, add that number to the $43,000 in income that we made, and we get:
$54,982.00
There, now we’re ahead of the game.
Let’s put together some fun charts on this. Here’s a look at what we spent our money on in 2016:
Okay, and now let’s see what it looks like with the student loan amount thrown in:
Pretty crazy, huh? Good thing I have that 10 year plan!
Now, about Food Support…
As I mentioned earlier, our family gets food support. We’ve been getting it for about eight years now, ever since my husband started chiropractic school. We could have gotten it before then, when he was a Catholic elementary teacher making only $18,750 a year, but I hadn’t known it was available to us. I didn’t realize we were poor.
When we first started getting food support, I wasn’t sure how to feel about it. I was kind of embarrassed. I felt like we were too good for it, like we were above it.
Now, I receive it with gratitude. I know that we are not any better or worse than anybody else getting it. I am no longer too proud.
Could we get by without it? Yes.
Do we use what we save on food to help pay off our student loan debt? Absolutely.
Is that fair? I think so.
I recently read this amazing book called The Art of Asking by Amanda Palmer. In the book, she writes this little tidbit about how Henry David Thoreau’s mother would bring him donuts while he was squirreled away working on Walden:
The idea of Thoreau gazing thoughtfully over the expanse of transcendental Walden Pond, a bluebird alighting onto his threadbare shoe, all the while eating donuts that his mom brought him just doesn’t jibe with most people’s picture of him as a self-reliant, noble, marrow-sucking back-to-the-woods folk hero.
I think a lot of the time, people might expect those getting government assistance to look and act a certain way (poor), and that they shouldn’t be able to enjoy any kind of treat or luxury (like going to Harry Potter World) because of that. Kind of like how we expected Thoreau to look when he was living at Walden Pond.
It’s not the act of taking that’s so difficult, it’s more the fear of what other people are going to think when they see us slaving away at our manuscript about the pure transcendence of nature and the importance of self-reliance and simplicity. While munching on someone else’s donut.
I’m not working on writing a literary masterpiece here, of course. I’m just trying to raise my kids while my husband tries to grow his business… and, yes, all while we’re munching on someone else’s donut.
And I’m okay with that. I’m learning how to take the donuts.
It is a gift to be able to accept support from another person (or the government). It makes you humble. It makes you grateful. It makes you human. It is a gift to be able to give, and it is a gift to be able to receive.
Unlike before, I am slowly starting to realize that I am (kind of) a poor person. However, I still don’t feel like one (I think being “poor” has less to with money than one might expect). In many ways, I live a life similar to wealthy people, just one with a lot more support: We send our kids to a private school (thanks to a scholarship), we eat healthy, organic food (thanks to food support), and we own our own home (thanks to our moms co-signing on the mortgage).
Should my life look differently? Should I look like I am poor and suffering? Or should I gratefully take the donuts and do what I can with them?
That’s the road I’m taking.
And is that fair? A lot of people, like my cousin Rich, have worked hard to get where they are and for what they have acquired. But have they worked any harder than my husband worked in chiropractic school and in starting his own practice? Probably not. Do busy professionals work any harder than construction workers or a teachers do?
It’s all relative. Different people have different interests and values and jobs and income levels. And some people just get lucky. (Even Rich recognizes that we all have a role to play, and he wrote a parable about how we are different types of squirrels and our conversations make the “forest” a better place.)
We all need to take care of each other, in any way that we can. We belong to each other.
And that’s a good thing.
Here’s another excerpt from The Art of Asking (I can’t recommend this book enough) that sums this up:
Our first job in life is to recognize the gifts we’ve already got, take the donuts that show up while we cultivate and use those gifts, and then turn around and share those gifts – sometimes in the form of money, sometimes time, sometimes love – back into the puzzle of the world.
Our second job is to accept where we are in the puzzle at each moment. That can be harder.
I recognize that our circumstances are unique. There probably aren’t a lot of people making $43,000 and putting $22,000 toward student loans every year. I hope to be at the another place in the puzzle in the future, a place where I can share more of my gifts and take less. Until then, I think it’s good to have conversations like this… conversations about money, about life, and about our place in it all.
Low-income people are not usually represented on personal financial blogs. I want my cousin, Rich, to understand what it’s like, and I want you, dear readers, to understand as well.
And along the way, we all might learn something from each other.
Thanks for reading,
Penny
Do you have any questions for Penny? What are you doing to pay off your debt?
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Katy — nice blog you got there! –Rich
The lesson in this is don’t get stuck in the mindset of racking up student loans so your kids can have ‘the college experience’. We now have kids with less than $20K in college bills because the took CLEP, DSST, Community College courses to rack up as many college credits as possible, and had the mindset to not take out a loan for more than your income will be in the first 2 years of graduating. That meant my kids lived at home. Still peers of mine stick up their noses and insist that sending their kids off to live at a college will give them better opportunities. I say get the degree as fast and cheap as possible and save the hassle of the extra debt. But to each as own. It’s just sad when you get a degree and don’t use it, not because you can’t find a job, but because you decide it’s best not to work.
And they also forget that those receiving assistance (often) also pay taxes.
I don’t think they do.
Heather, if you read Penny’s explanation, you would see they receive EIC, meaning they receive more tax refunded than they pay in.
@H Allen, you are exactly right! I am in constant shock at the number of people who simply don’t understand this (or refuse to)!
Hi, Penny! I disagree with your financial choices, but I applaud you for having the guts to share with us all. It’s so heartwarming to see how many people in the comments have been inspired by your story.
While a program such as food stamps may be available, that does not mean that you should participate. We worked incredibly hard to pay off our mortgage while sacrificing everything to live off of $24k/year. We did not expect anyone else to help us with that goal. There’s an amazing sense of pride when you are able to dig yourself out of a hole with just your two hands.
So many things jump out here.
–$153,000 in student loan debt (not only “NO” but “Good Lord, NO!!!”) for a job that clearly doesn’t warrant that kind of expenditure. Not a necessity, but completely a choice.
–Discretionary spending in excess of $5500 per year (iMac replacement; not one, but multiple vacations; etc.).
–What may bother some, including myself, is the idea that Penny and her family are doing something noble simply by fulfilling their obligations “(Plus, we’re the ones who took out the loans, we’re responsible for paying them, and we really do want to be able to pay them back. Blah, blah, blah.)” No, it’s not blah, blah, blah… it’s your RESPONSIBILITY. That responsibility is not an afterthought or a favor you are doing anyone. It’s the promise you made to repay those loans when you took them out. You don’t mention any catastrophic event or series of events that make you unable to pay. That would have been a very different story. So you are paying them back early….
–by getting others to pay for your food. Also a choice. You CAN afford to purchase food for your family on the income you have. You choose to get money from the rest of taxpayers so that you can pay off your student loans faster. This is not what the program is for. I have a widowed mom friend who makes MUCH less, but works 3 jobs to scrape by and she does not qualify for food assistance. This is the situation for which the SNAP programs and others of its kind exist.
–You are not working. Fine, we can ALL understand the needs of kids to have mum home with them. But that means you pare back your lifestyle to live within your budget, not take the money of others to supplement your budget so that you can take several vacations in a year.
” I recognize that our circumstances are unique. There probably aren’t a lot of people making $43,000 and putting $22,000 toward student loans every year. I hope to be at the another place in the puzzle in the future, a place where I can share more of my gifts and take less.” You are at that place NOW. All you have to do is cut back on the discretionary spending, purchase your food with your own money, and take a longer path to repaying your debt. It won’t be as accelerated of a repayment as you’re currently doing, but you can still accelerate the schedule on your current income. You are at that place now; it just appears that you just don’t want to do it with all of your own money. And that intent is apparent, because the reason you are not doing the income-based $0 payment/forgiveness of loans later is due to the tax consequences. Your words just convey shock at the fact of tax consequences for the tremendous GIFT that would come from an absolute boatload of loan debt forgiveness.
I sincerely wish you well, and I am sure you will succeed at what you are aiming toward. I just cannot get on board with your method.
And, just to be clear, I am totally in support of your decision to be home with your children. It is a precious, fleeting time that can never be recovered or done over once it has passed. Children love having mom home with them, and you should get to treasure your time with them; it passes all too quickly!
Breaking everything down like you did is pretty impressive. I wish you luck on repaying all those loans. What you do for your family is to be praised and applauded. For all those people out there that need instant gratification this is family that gets it. Sometime it’s better to wait for trivial things. Good LUCK!!!
I do think we should all take a step back and really look at the fact that they are a family of 5 living on $43K a year and half of that goes to student loan payments. Are we sure we want to call her out for welfare fraud? I sure don’t want to be living her life of “luxury.”
This post makes me ill….the entitled mentality was hard to stomach and I had to stop reading. Actually, I’m still in shock that this was someone’s chosen reality 🙁 Must be nice to steal taxpayer money to stay home while other mothers work their tails off to pay for their family’s groceries, student loans, daycare, etc.
Blech!!!!!!
Penny, thank you for sharing your story. I think it’s hard for those who don’t accept government or social assistance to understand your motivations.
I’ve volunteered with low income families like yours and thought very similar thoughts to some of the disagreeing comments here.
I don’t agree with your life choices but do appreciate you sharing your story.
In the end, when we give or pay taxes, we can’t choose how the money is used. People will always make the choices they think are best for their situation.
Interesting post, Penny! I like hearing about how people are tackling debt, because I think its such a huge cripple to have it! I actually lived in a car and a tent to pay off my debt in San Francisco while working my full-time job, so luckily, it didn’t take me long, but I did learn how to live with less which has benefited me a lot. SO glad you are taking the time and effort to pay off those student loans.
Wow, this is absolutely dedication! If everyone in the US with student debt has this kind of dedication and mentality, I truly believe we wouldn’t have over $1T in student debt which could burst anytime. Congrats on all the progress.
Penny,
It’s good that that you mentioned being poor as a sign of “blogging humility,” as I could care less if you’re poor. Earning 43,000 a year is better than no money. You to are well on your way to becoming a blogging millionaire if you stay in the consistent mindset of creating quality content and do the transformation business work. Blogging is a great way to get those rambling thoughts out of the back of your mind and into the Internet universe without regard to how it sounds. As long as you keep your site content regularly updated, that’s what matters. I personally believe you will achieve your financial dreams and more if you hang in there and just keep pushing no matter what. I’ve been in your shoes before and still have yet myself. So I know what that part is like. However, I do commend you dearly are going back to school and achieving your higher educational goals. And I also commend your husband for going back to school and becoming a chiropractor six years strong now if he were to grow his chiropractor business online with a blog, he would’ve had more business in six years time then he could handle. People love reading all kinds of blogs from across the globe.
So what if Rich fails to comprehend how your family gets by on such an income. As I mentioned previously, keep doing what you’re doing. And lastly, don’t be ashamed about being on food stamps. It’s a humbling experience for anyone to get support on SNAP food benefits. It’s better than nothing and at least you and your children have food in the refrigerator. With that said, keep blogging away to your hearts content and give your blogging venture at least a good 2 to 3 years before it gets off the ground. Take a look at the encouraging blog comment I left on your blog about sticking it out in tough times and posting at least once a day in excess of 1000 words or better with “Evergreen content.” Michelle blogs Evergreen content every post she publishes. Just follow Michelle’s lead and you’ll be A + okay. 🙂
This is such a great post and I can learn a lot from this! Thank you for being so honest and sharing! Will have to check out your personal blog as well! Thanks again Penny!
Hi Penny,
I would like to see a breakdown of how much you thought your husband would earn as a chiropractor and what lead to you believe that? What were the forecasted financials for the chiropractic business? Also, did his chiropractor program include business classes?
This is such a great post and I can learn a lot from this! Thank you for being so honest and sharing! Will have to check out your personal blog as well! Thanks again Penny!